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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN
class=872173620-13042007>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=872173620-13042007>RESEND
- I didn't ever get this back from the WIMS reflector - I
think</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=872173620-13042007>there
may have been an email glitch at Sharp Labs this morning (no</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=872173620-13042007>spams
for three hours - that never happens).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN
class=872173620-13042007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN
class=872173620-13042007>Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=872173620-13042007>-
Ira</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - Linux
Foundation Open Printing WG<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box
221 Grand Marais, MI 49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email:
imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> McDonald, Ira <BR><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, April 13, 2007 9:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Harry Lewis';
'wims@pwg.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: ACTION - Ordered list of CIM MOF classes -
due Wed 11 April<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi
Harry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The
essence of our discussion yesterday was that we worker bees (Rick and
I)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>intend
to model _all_ of the Subunits and move them into DMTF CIM Core
WG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>review
as quickly as possible anyway. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4>But the process delays on any given CR </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>are so long
(months) that we don't </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>want
to touch any given class twice. We'll </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>get the Printer
MIB v2 stuff into </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4>CIM_Printer just as soon as we can (perhaps before some of the
others).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>But
CIM_Printer is scheduled to have some properties deprecated and
is</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>likely
to run into more trouble in CIM Core review, I think.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The
four normative pointer dependencies from the MIB are:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4> prtInputDefaultIndex - value of
CIM_PrintInputTray.Id<BR> prtOutputDefaultIndex - value of
CIM_PrintOutputTray.Id</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><BR> prtMarkerDefaultIndex -
value of CIM_PrintMarker.Id<BR> prtMediaPathDefaultIndex -
value of CIM_PrintMediaPath.Id</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The
first three classes have already been modelled - and it is likely that
the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4>CIM_PrintOutputTray will be approved tomorrow (or next week at
latest).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The
CIM_PrintMediaPath class is quite simple.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=869395514-13042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - Linux
Foundation Open Printing WG<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box
221 Grand Marais, MI 49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email:
imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:56
AM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira<BR><B>Cc:</B>
pwg-announce@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION - Ordered
list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11 April<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Ira, thanks for the clarifications. I agree hr MIB is out
of scope for this exercise of prioritizing Printer MIB Groups... I just wanted
to make sure we weren't missing these fundamental properties. Sounds like we've
already captured most of them. Only difficulty I feel we are left with is
prtGeneral. I understand there are defaults that depend normatively on other
subunits but there are also independent properties which I believe are utmost
essential (eg... many of us felt printer s/n was a glaring omission from Printer
MIB v1). Not sure how to resolve this. </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM
STSM<BR>Intellectual Property, Standards and Licensing<BR>Chairman - ISTO
Printer Working
Group<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>04/12/2007 08:30 AM</FONT> </P>
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Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS</FONT>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION -
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size=2>Hi Harry,<BR><BR>(1) Printer MIB v2 additions<BR> - in the
great spreadsheet of properties, we all gave<BR> high
rankings to _some_ of these (i.e., ServicePerson)<BR>(2) prtGeneral
last<BR> - because the default pointers will depend
normatively<BR> (with ModelCorrespondence clauses which MUST
NOT be<BR> black holes to pass CIM Core review) on the
newly<BR> created Subunit classes that define 'Xxx.Id'
(e.g.,<BR> prtInputIndex).<BR> - if we submit it
earlier, they'll just reject it<BR>(3) hrPrinterDetectedErrorState<BR>
- already in CIM_Printer.DetectedErrorState<BR> - in CIM
Refresh Phase 1, we added the new enum values<BR>(4) hrDeviceStatus<BR>
- already in CIM_LogicalDevice.Availability<BR> - which is the
parent class of CIM_Printer<BR>(5) hrPrinterStatus<BR> - already in
CIM_Printer.PrinterStatus<BR> (we added the MappingStrings in
CIM Refresh Phase 1)<BR>(6) hrDeviceID <BR> - not in CIM Model at
all - completely out-of-scope<BR>(7) sysDescr<BR> - not in CIM Model
at all - completely out-of-scope<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>- Ira<BR>
<BR><BR>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - Linux Foundation
Open Printing WG<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221 Grand
Marais, MI 49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email:
imcdonald@sharplabs.com <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:31 PM<BR>To:
McDonald, Ira<BR>Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org<BR>Subject: Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE>
ACTION - Ordered list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11 April<BR><BR><BR><BR>In
doing the exercise... some thoughts... <BR><BR>1. I gave greater weight to stuff
we added in Printer MIB v2 because if it wasn't so important... why'd we add it?
<BR>2. I see a lot of people put prtGeneral last because it "depends on all
other classes". But there are some very useful (independent) attributes in
prtGeneral (like Name, S/N, Operator/ServicePerson etc.) <BR>3. Where does
hrPrinterDetectedErrorState fall in all of this? Not part of Printer MIB but...
as you all know... one of my all time favorites ;-) <BR> - hrDeviceStatus,
hrPrinterStatus, hrDeviceID and sysDescr... all fundamental (and so were
referenced in the Printer MIB), <BR><BR>My ordering of the list... <BR><BR>(0)
CIM_Printer - prtGeneralTable (contains valuable independent elements:
example S/N) <BR>(1) CIM_PrintAlertLog - prtAlertTable <BR>(2)
CIM_PrintAlertRecord - prtAlertEntry <BR> I agree with
Rick… these are inseparable <BR>(3) CIM_PrintInputTray - prtInputTable -
done - not submitted to DMTF <BR>(4) CIM_PrintOutputTray - prtOutputTable
- done - in progress at DMTF <BR>(5) CIM_PrintDeviceCover – prtCoverTable
<BR>(6) CIM_PrintMarker - prtMarkerTable - done - not submitted to DMTF
<BR>(7) CIM_PrintSupply - prtMarkerSuppliesTable <BR>(8)
CIM_PrintConsoleDisplayBuffer – prtConsoleDisplayBufferTable <BR>(9)
CIM_PrintColorant - prtMarkerColorantTable <BR>(10) CIM_PrintConsoleLight
– prtConsoleLightTable <BR>(11) CIM_PrintMediaPath - prtMediaPathTable <BR>(12)
CIM_PrintInterpreter - prtInterpreterTable <BR>(13) CIM_PrintChannel -
prtChannelTable - done - not submitted to DMTF
<BR><BR>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM
STSM<BR>Intellectual Property, Standards and Licensing<BR>Chairman - ISTO
Printer Working
Group<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
<BR><BR><BR>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> <BR>Sent by:
owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org <BR>04/05/2007 03:12 PM
To<pwg-announce@pwg.org> <BR>cc<BR>SubjectPWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION -
Ordered list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11
April<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Hi,
Thursday (5 April
2007)<BR><BR>*** Action: Send your ordered list of CIM MOF
classes<BR>*** Due Date: End-of-day Wednesday 11 April 2007<BR><BR>*** To:
All PWG members<BR>*** Reply To:
wims@pwg.org<BR>*** Note: Do NOT reply to
pwg-announce@pwg.org<BR><BR><BR>Background: As a result of the slow CIM
Core WG process, we urgently<BR>need to reach concensus on the ORDER in which we
will model the tables<BR>from the Printer MIB (RFC 1759/3805) into CIM MOF
classes, as described<BR>in Rick Landau's document posted in the
directory:<BR><BR> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim<BR><BR>in the
file:<BR><BR> td_PrintClassGroupings_v09_20070208.pdf<BR><BR><BR>Below is
my own ordered list of CIM MOF classes:<BR><BR>(0) CIM_PrintOutputTray -
prtOutputTable - done - in progress at DMTF<BR><BR>(1) CIM_PrintInputTray
- prtInputTable - done - not submitted to DMTF<BR>(2) CIM_PrintMarker -
prtMarkerTable - done - not submitted to DMTF<BR>(3) CIM_PrintChannel -
prtChannelTable - done - not submitted to DMTF<BR><BR>(4) CIM_PrintSupply
- prtMarkerSuppliesTable<BR>(5) CIM_PrintDeviceCover -
prtCoverTable<BR>(6) CIM_PrintAlertLog - prtAlertTable<BR>(7)
CIM_PrintAlertRecord - prtAlertEntry<BR><BR>(8) CIM_PrintMediaPath -
prtMediaPathTable<BR>(9) CIM_PrintInterpreter -
prtInterpreterTable<BR><BR>(10) CIM_PrintColorant -
prtMarkerColorantTable<BR>(11) CIM_PrintConsoleLight -
prtConsoleLightTable<BR>(12) CIM_PrintConsoleDisplayBuffer -
prtConsoleDisplayBufferTable<BR><BR>(13) CIM_Printer - prtGeneralTable - last -
depends on all other classes<BR><BR><BR>At the WIMS-CIM telecon on Thursday 12
April we will determine concensus<BR>on the ordered list - Rick Landau and I
will follow this concensus.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>- Ira<BR><BR><BR>Ira McDonald
(Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing
WG<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI
49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email:
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