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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1578" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>I converted Bill's latest working draft to PDF and posted it at:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070201.doc"> <DIV></A><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070205.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070205.<SPAN class=532504217-05022007>pdf</A></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070201.doc"><SPAN class=532504217-05022007><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></A></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Bill - Status on the cover page needs to pass through Interim, then</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Prototype (small religious war here), and reach Stable, before it's</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>allowed to enter either working group or PWG last call.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Because it adds one element and improves one definition, it could be</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>treated as Errata and adopted via Call For Objections (rather than</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Formal Approval vote).</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>I wondered about that lack of MediaUsed elements in the per-Service</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>conformance - but then I remembered that we agreed (at some length)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>that MediaUsed was important to define, but should remain OPTIONAL</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>in the Abstract Counter spec - a mapping can make it REQUIRED or</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>RECOMMENDED (the Counter MIB is conservative and defines the</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>icMediaUsedGroup as OPTIONAL</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>).</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007>- Ira</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=532504217-05022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - FSG Open Printing Steering Committee<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>wamwagner@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'wims@pwg.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> WIMS> Revision to Counter Spec<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>I have incorporated Lee's and Ira's comments in the Counter Spec update. A marked up doc file is at</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070201.doc"> <DIV></A><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070205.doc">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070205.doc</A><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070201.doc"></DIV></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>(sorry, I am still in Boulder without my PDF generator)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2>The changes are to document page 8 (Datastream change), where at Pete's request, we added some clarification of the fact that datastream includes job processing instruction information, such as a job ticket.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2>and to document pages 27 and 28, where  we added the <SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">MediaUsed.MediaAccountingKey element. For those who mught have missed the previous background discussion:</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">When all media in a given system, or a given environment, were distinguishable by size alone, then the different media are uniquely differentiated by MediaUsed.MediaSizeName. However, if there were different media types of the same size, then some additional element must be used to differentiate between them. MediaUsed.MediaInfo was available, and was sufficiently free form so that any set of distinguishing characteristics could be used (weight, color, letterhead imprint, etc). Problem that Stuart identified with MediaUsed.MediaInfo is that it is intended for human consumption and as such is localizable. This makes it difficult to use reliably as a machine readable ! identif ier. Ira therefore suggested adding a new, non localizable element (<SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">MediaUsed.MediaAccountingKey). </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I don't think that the introduction of this new element affects other  counter spec chapters (although I wonder that there are no media identification elements in the Per Service lists of chapter 6).</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">This working draft is submitted for working group review, with the objective of be able to submit it for a PWG review period including the February face to face. Please review and submit objections before the next WIMS/CIM meeting on 8 Feb.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Thank you.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Bill Wagner</SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></BODY></HTML> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>--<BR> No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 2:04 PM<BR> </FONT> </P>