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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The best solution would be to lead '...MediaInfo' as descriptive and</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>add a new attribute '...MediaKey' (see PWG 5100.3) that IS unique.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>This wants some consideration and discussion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441561216-09072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> wamwagner@comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 07, 2006 12:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira; 'Stuart Rowley'<BR><B>Cc:</B> wims@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Ira,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Understood. That is a problem with not prototyping, although there is no guarentee that all issues will be found  when prototyping. So, pending further discoveries, perhaps we should consider an errata to the counter spec? I take it that we would add another object, <FONT color=#000000>with </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" color=#000000 size=3>'icMediaUsedMediaInfo' being redefined and retyped as a media qualifier and (perhaps) ''icMediaUsedMediaDescrip" being added</FONT> <FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>for user infomation?</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill Wagner</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>I agree that 'icMediaUsedMediaInfo' is overloaded with two probably</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>incompatible uses, but it isn't the MIB that did this overloading.  This</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>is a bug in the PWG Candidate Standard Imaging System Counters</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>(PWG 5106.1) - see section 5.3 on the bottom of page 27.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>This bug cannot be fixed in the MIB independently, without revision </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006></SPAN><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>of the source document's element semantics.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=238314915-07072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> wamwagner@comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira; 'Stuart Rowley'<BR><B>Cc:</B> wims@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>OK. Ira, it seems that you agree with Stuart that: </DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">icMediaUsedMediaSizeName DisplayString <FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>and</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">icMediaUsedMediaInfo SnmpAdminString</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV>both are not localized. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The former is a PWG 5101.1 defined keyword; the latter is freeform in that it is not a public-spec defined keyword, but operationally should be one of a set of strings defined for use in a particular environment or with  a particular application.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This appears to overload <FONT face="Courier New, Courier, mono" size=2>icMediaUsedMediaInfo</FONT> as both a qualifying descriptor for media identification and as a description for human consumption.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since the MIB is informational only (pending prototyping), and Stuart may be doing the prototyping, I would suggest that we collect the issues discovered during this effort and define an updated version of the MIB for resubmission as a candidate standard. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill Wagner</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> <BR></DIV> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <o:SmartTagType name="PostalCode" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="Street" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="address" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi Stuart,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>The ASCII keyword in '...SizeName' should NOT be localized</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>but the equivalent elements in '...MediaInfo' ARE supposed to </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>be </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>localized.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>But, because '...MediaInfo' in the Abstact Counter </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>spec (PWG </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>5106.1) and Counter MIB is required </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>for the key distinguishing </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>two instances of the same size media (e.g., by color), </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>it's highly</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>undesirable to change the value of '...MediaInfo' </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>when the printer</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>locale changes -  lousy side effects for accounting applications.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Bill - I consider this a probable errata against the Counter </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>MIB.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=832400119-06072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Stuart Rowley [mailto:Stuart.Rowley@ktd-kyocera.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira<BR><B>Cc:</B> wims@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Counter MIB questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Hi Ira,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Thanks for the quick reply. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">The description for icMediaUsedMediaSizeName says:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">"The media size self-describing name for this specific media,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">for use with remote network management scripts and GUIs,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">specified as a Unicode string encoded in UTF-8 (RFC 3629)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">in the language specified in 'icGeneralNaturalLanguage'.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">...so would this ASCII keyword be localized...?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:47 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuart Rowley</st1:PersonName>; McDonald, Ira<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Counter MIB questions</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Hi Stuart,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">I copied the WIMS list, so others could see my remarks and chime in.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">The significance of icMediaUsedMediaSizeName being DisplayString is</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">that it MUST be strict ASCII (it's a _keyword_ that follows the format in</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">PWG 5101.1, not a free form name - even a custom size name has a</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">format and MUST be strict ASCII).</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">icMediaUsedMediaInfo is a description that makes '...SizeName' unique for </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">instances of different (but same size) media.  Because the IETF leaned</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">on us hard to make all future MIB descriptive strings be internationalized,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">it's of type SnmpAdminString (UTF-8) and localized.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Now - nothing prevents you from making the "localized" media info in</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Kyocera products be of the form:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">  media-info = english-media-identifier ":" localized-description</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">So that your accounting applications use the invariant identifier and</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">save the localized-description (if at all) in a separate database field</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">that's informational.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Or you could cheat (I don't recommend this) and leave the value of</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">icGeneralNaturalLanguage empty and just support all descriptive</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">fields in US-English only (the default) - I _really_ don't recommend</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">this approach, because it's not very customer-friendly.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Hope this helps,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">- Ira</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">PO Box</st1:Street> 221</st1:address>  Grand <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Marais</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">49839</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 3pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 2.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuart Rowley</st1:PersonName> [mailto:Stuart.Rowley@ktd-kyocera.com]<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:47 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> McDonald, Ira<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Counters MIB questions</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Ira,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I hope you had an enjoyable 4<SUP>th</SUP> of July weekend. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have a couple questions about the Counters spec and MIB regarding media used.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There are 3 objects used to describe the media size and type.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">icMediaUsedMediaSizeName DisplayString,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">icMediaUsedMediaInfo SnmpAdminString,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">icMediaUsedMediaName SnmpAdminString<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What is the significance of icMediaUsedMediaSizeName using DisplayString and the others using SnmpAdminString?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the MIB it lists all three as being localized, but it seems only icMediaUsedMediaName should be localized. I need icMediaUsedMediaSizeName and icMediaUsedMediaInfo to be used by our accounting apps to identify the size and type for billing purposes. This would be hard to achieve using localized strings. Our apps would need to read standardized names from these two objects. Am I missing something?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Stuart Rowley</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Network Product Mgr.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Kyocera Technology Development<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <P><FONT size=2>--<BR>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P><FONT size=2>--<BR>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P><FONT size=2>--<BR>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>--<BR> No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006<BR> </FONT> </P>