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By the sounds of what I heard in the call, today (even though we didn't get to closure), I think Ira is on the right track. I think the only things we can reliably deliver in the Dec timeframe (for approval in Jan) is the very low handing fruit. This should establish the relationship and we can go forward from there. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> Sent by: owner-wims@pwg.org 09/30/2005 11:33 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>"'Richard_Landau@Dell.com'" <Richard_Landau@Dell.com>, wims@pwg.org <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>RE: WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Hi Rick, I share your frustration that we were left hanging about CIM Core working contacts and CR guidance.   I guess we try to write a 'low hanging fruit' CR (editorial only). We could decide NOT to deprecate the misplaced 'default-xxx' properties in CIM_Printer and just revise their descriptions to warn that authoritative info can be found in their sibling properties in CIM_PrintService. We could warn that 'current-xxx' properties were inherently ambiguous and therefore 'implementation-dependent'. That's sort of a diplomatic course that treats as editorial what we think were mistakes, without stepping on the toes of any previous implementors or CR submitters. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:20 PM To: wims@pwg.org Subject: WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG The concall today went reasonably well, and we got much more than our allotted fifteen minutes of fame.  Still didn't quite get thru it all, but close.   Comments that I heard and noted during the discussion. - Adding properties to PrintService, no problem.  Deprecating properties is harder.  We may get pushback from some people who have already implemented them, like parts of IBM or HP.   - Need to find out what the history of the changes was.  It's their impression that all the changes were made on behalf of PWG by some champion in Core.  John Crandall will get hold of Steve Jerman. - For some items such as consoles, covers, channels, maybe counters, it will likely be better to write a profile that describes how to use existing classes to model these items.  Need to check on the availability of suitable existing classes.   - Language interpreter might be modeled with SoftwareIdentity; not entirely clear.   - For some items, we can probably use the Capabilities and Settings classes and mechanism already in CIM.  [Might be reasonable for paper sizes, media paths, trays.] - We should take a look at the Profile User's Guide for guidance.  [I'll try to find it.] Overall, the topic ended very abruptly and I felt left hanging.  We need a working contact or two within Core who can do the education back and forth about CIM and Printers.  We need to look at doing the editorial changes as "low hanging fruit first."  We need to discuss process.  They did not seem to disagree with the scope, but the next steps were not clear to me.  Harry, Ira, et al., do you understand better how to proceed?   rick ------------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, System Mgt Arch & Stds +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3 Box 8352, Round Rock, TX 78682 </tt>