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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1491" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>By the way, the corresponding IPP Printer attributes are called</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>'charset-configured' and 'natural-language-configured'.  Given that</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>IPP and the Printer MIB frequently refer to the 'current configuration',</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>DMTF CIM property names of 'Current...' are fine if we deprecate</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>all the other non-deterministic 'CurrentXxx' properties.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=598072203-09082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>McDonald, Ira<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 08, 2005 6:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'wamwagner@comcast.net'; Richard_Landau@Dell.com; wims@pwg.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: WIMS> CIM> Deprecating (almost) all CurrentXxxx properties in CIM_Printer<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>I agree with the proposal.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>However, I strongly DISAGREE with the creation of new DefaultXxx</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>properties to be used in place of CurrentCharSet/NaturalLanguage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>We had this discussion during the development of IPP and concluded</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>that DefaultXxx has the wrong semantics, because they CANNOT be</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>overridden by the user.  They are the character set and language</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>for the values in the Printer Description class of attributes (broadly, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>everything except </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Status attributes).  A specific user can request</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>a Notification (for example) in a different charset/language, but the</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Printer current values don't change.  This is NOT the semantics</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>of DefaultXxx on a Printer object.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Note that the user MUST specify the charset/language of submitted</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>string attributes with an IPP Job  - it's a protocol error to omit them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=180563622-08082005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>wamwagner@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 08, 2005 3:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Richard_Landau@Dell.com; wims@pwg.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: WIMS> CIM> Deprecating (almost) all CurrentXxxx properties in CIM_Printer<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Rick,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Makes sense. Perhaps we got carried away in our generalizations and missed the distinction.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would see no benefit in changing the names of u<FONT face=Arial size=2>rrentCharSet or Cu</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>rrentNaturalLanguage   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Wagner</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR> <META content="MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7232.60" name=Generator> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Re: Deprecating (almost) all CurrentXxxx properties in CIM_Printer</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Slight revision to the proposal:  Deprecate all the CurrentXxxx properties in favor of the corresponding DefaultXxxx properties, except CurrentCharSet and CurrentNaturalLanguage.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>These last two properties, CharSet and NaturalLanguage, record the character set and natural language being used for management, not for printing.  They are properties of the printer controller, not properties of print jobs.  Since they are asynchronous with printing functions, they do not suffer from the ambiguities of the other CurrentXxxx properties in complex printers.  Also, neither of these properties has a corresponding DefaultXxxx property.  Therefore these two properties must be retained.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Summary:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentPaperType                deprecate; use DefaultPaperType instead</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentLanguage         deprecate; use DefaultLanguage</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentMimeType         deprecate; use DefaultMimeType</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentCapabilities             deprecate; use DefaultCapabilities</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentCharSet                  retain</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>CurrentNaturalLanguage          retain</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I recall that some exceptions were mentioned, but I think we all mistakenly referred to CurrentLanguage instead of CurrentCharSet during the discussion.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Addendum to proposal: we could change the *names* of the two remaining CurrentXxxx properties to DefaultCharSet and DefaultNaturalLanguage and then be rid of all the CurrentXxxx properties.  (Actual process: add new properties with identical syntax and semantics but new names, and then deprecate the old properties.)  Only half kidding.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Comments, please.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>rick</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>-------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard_Landau@dell.com,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>System Mgt Arch & Stds</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>+1-512-728-9023,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>One Dell Way,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>RR5-3 Box 8352, Round Rock, TX 78682</FONT> </P><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>