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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1522" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>Also topics for Wednesday:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>- review of WIMS Enterprise Sequence Diagram posted on 17 November for spec</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>- review of WSDL/2.0 for WIMS just posted this evening</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4><SPAN class=298464101-29112005>- Ira</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> wamwagner@comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 28, 2005 4:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira; 'pwg@pwg.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> 12 Noon EST 30 Nov WIMS Telcom - Ira's Relax NG topic<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can add Ira's observation to the agenda for this Wednesday, 12 Noon.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> <P>Dial In: 1-866-365-4406</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Passcode: 2635888#</FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV>I think that Harry will not be available for this week's concalls. So SC discussion may be a while off. However, the quoted message apperas to be in response to a proposal to extend W3C XML Schema to accomodate some problems found by the IETF XCON WG. I suggest that the first questions is to what extent do these problems apply to PWG Schema.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With respect to other WIMS WG topics:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a. Minutes: <A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf</A></DIV> <DIV>b. Abstracting the WIMS protocol spec.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, if we do not have a reasonable attedance, there would be little sense in  discussing these rather significant topics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill Wagner</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Hi folks, <BR>> <BR>> Topic for next WIMS telecon and next PWG Steering Committee telecon. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> [The context is describing constraints in schema for XML documents] <BR>> <BR>> Below is a thought-provoking comment recently from Tim Bray (Textuality) <BR>> about the misuse of W3C XML Schema in IETF specs where ISO Relax NG would <BR>> be more appropriate. <BR>> <BR>> Tim's _first_ sentence (not quoted below) was: <BR>> <BR>> "My input: The proposal is an attempt to work around one of the many known <BR>> <BR>> limitations of W3C XML Schema. It also seems to increase the complexity <BR>> and <BR>> decrease the readability of your XML." <BR>> <BR>> It's worth considering whether our PWG standard SM/1.0 printing schema and <BR>> the new WIMS imaging system schema! should be translated to Relax NG. <BR>> <BR>> Cheers, <BR>> - Ira <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) <BR>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc <BR>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 <BR>> phone: +1-906-494-2434 <BR>> email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org]On <BR>> Behalf Of Phil Shafer <BR>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:17 AM <BR>> To: netconf@ops.ietf.org <BR>> Subject: Tim Bray on RelaxNG <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xml-dir/current/msg00108.html <BR>> <BR>> As a general practice, I would advise the IETF to specify XML <BR>> languages using the simpler, more general, more flexible, more <BR>> interoperable RelaxNG, which is also an ISO standard by the <BR>> way. For example, Atompub did this in draft-ietf-atompub-format-11, <BR>> whi! ch is now a proposed standard and waiting for its RFC number. <BR>> In particular, the kind of extensibility you want for XCON would <BR>> be easily modeled in RelaxNG without the need for this kind of <BR>> egregious kludge. -Tim Bray <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Can we revisit the use of Relax-NG for netconf (before we start <BR>> resorting to egregious kludges ;^)? <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Phil <BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with <BR>> the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. <BR>> archive: <HTTP: ops.ietf.org lists netconf /></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>