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I am available this week. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>wamwagner@comcast.net Sent by: owner-pwg@pwg.org 11/28/2005 02:39 PM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, "'pwg@pwg.org'" <pwg@pwg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>PWG> 12 Noon EST 30 Nov WIMS Telcom - Ira's Relax NG topic</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table>   We can add Ira's observation to the agenda for this Wednesday, 12 Noon. Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 Passcode: 2635888# I think that Harry will not be available for this week's concalls. So SC discussion may be a while off. However, the quoted message apperas to be in response to a proposal to extend W3C XML Schema to accomodate some problems found by the IETF XCON WG. I suggest that the first questions is to what extent do these problems apply to PWG Schema.   With respect to other WIMS WG topics:   a. Minutes: <a href=ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf</a> b. Abstracting the WIMS protocol spec.   However, if we do not have a reasonable attedance, there would be little sense in  discussing these rather significant topics.   Bill Wagner   -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi folks, > > Topic for next WIMS telecon and next PWG Steering Committee telecon. > > > [The context is describing constraints in schema for XML documents] > > Below is a thought-provoking comment recently from Tim Bray (Textuality) > about the misuse of W3C XML Schema in IETF specs where ISO Relax NG would > be more appropriate. > > Tim's _first_ sentence (not quoted below) was: > > "My input: The proposal is an attempt to work around one of the many known > > limitations of W3C XML Schema. It also seems to increase the complexity > and > decrease the readability of your XML." > > It's worth considering whether our PWG standard SM/1.0 printing schema and > the new WIMS imaging system schema! should be translated to Relax NG. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > phone: +1-906-494-2434 > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org]On > Behalf Of Phil Shafer > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:17 AM > To: netconf@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Tim Bray on RelaxNG > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xml-dir/current/msg00108.html > > As a general practice, I would advise the IETF to specify XML > languages using the simpler, more general, more flexible, more > interoperable RelaxNG, which is also an ISO standard by the > way. For example, Atompub did this in draft-ietf-atompub-format-11, > whi! ch is now a proposed standard and waiting for its RFC number. ! > In particular, the kind of extensibility you want for XCON would > be easily modeled in RelaxNG without the need for this kind of > egregious kludge. -Tim Bray > > > Can we revisit the use of Relax-NG for netconf (before we start > resorting to egregious kludges ;^)? > > Thanks, > Phil > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: