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<DIV>We can add Ira's observation to the agenda for this Wednesday, 12 Noon.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think that Harry will not be available for this week's concalls. So SC discussion may be a while off. However, the quoted message apperas to be in response to a proposal to extend W3C XML Schema to accomodate some problems found by the IETF XCON WG. I suggest that the first questions is to what extent do these problems apply to PWG Schema.</DIV>
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<DIV>With respect to other WIMS WG topics:</DIV>
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<DIV>a. Minutes: <A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/minutes/wims_051116.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV>b. Abstracting the WIMS protocol spec.</DIV>
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<DIV>However, if we do not have a reasonable attedance, there would be little sense in discussing these rather significant topics.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Hi folks, <BR>> <BR>> Topic for next WIMS telecon and next PWG Steering Committee telecon. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> [The context is describing constraints in schema for XML documents] <BR>> <BR>> Below is a thought-provoking comment recently from Tim Bray (Textuality) <BR>> about the misuse of W3C XML Schema in IETF specs where ISO Relax NG would <BR>> be more appropriate. <BR>> <BR>> Tim's _first_ sentence (not quoted below) was: <BR>> <BR>> "My input: The proposal is an attempt to work around one of the many known <BR>> <BR>> limitations of W3C XML Schema. It also seems to increase the complexity <BR>> and <BR>> decrease the readability of your XML." <BR>> <BR>> It's worth considering whether our PWG standard SM/1.0 printing schema and <BR>> the new WIMS imaging system schema should be translated to Relax NG. <BR>> <BR>> Cheers, <BR>> - Ira <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) <BR>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc <BR>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 <BR>> phone: +1-906-494-2434 <BR>> email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org]On <BR>> Behalf Of Phil Shafer <BR>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:17 AM <BR>> To: netconf@ops.ietf.org <BR>> Subject: Tim Bray on RelaxNG <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xml-dir/current/msg00108.html <BR>> <BR>> As a general practice, I would advise the IETF to specify XML <BR>> languages using the simpler, more general, more flexible, more <BR>> interoperable RelaxNG, which is also an ISO standard by the <BR>> way. For example, Atompub did this in draft-ietf-atompub-format-11, <BR>> which is now a proposed standard and waiting for its RFC number. !
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In particular, the kind of extensibility you want for XCON would <BR>> be easily modeled in RelaxNG without the need for this kind of <BR>> egregious kludge. -Tim Bray <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Can we revisit the use of Relax-NG for netconf (before we start <BR>> resorting to egregious kludges ;^)? <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Phil <BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with <BR>> the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. <BR>> archive: <HTTP: netconf lists ops.ietf.org /></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>