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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In defense of the non-XML encoding premise:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The FSG Print Driver API </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>folks have always maintained that very </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>low-end direct attached and </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>specialty printers CANNOT afford the </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>code size for the all the long string </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>literals necessary to parse XML</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(apart </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>from the XML parser code size).  Therefore, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>the abstract </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>objects and their attributes defined in the FSG Job Ticket API are</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>ALL converted to numeric tokens (both names and values) for the </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>wire </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>form (messages) of the FSG Print Driver API.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=412175618-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wagner,William [mailto:WWagner@NetSilicon.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Harry Lewis; McDonald, Ira<BR><B>Cc:</B> pwg@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PWG> Posted draft PWG Simple Job Ticket [10 May 2004]<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Agreed, both in thanks to Ira and in questioning the need  to avoid  XML.  I think  the point  was   made   at the f-2-f  that a low end machine  did not necessarily need an  XML  interpreter but,  given sufficiently  concise  messages, could  decode the XML as strings. This would need  to be  tested against  some  actual examples.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I  would  like to throw  in   one more thought, since we are thinking  MFP these days, and that is  a possible variation of the ticket  for  scan jobs/images.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bill  Wagner</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=326454917-11052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>NetSilicon, A Digi International Company</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B> McDonald, Ira<BR><B>Cc:</B> pwg@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PWG> Posted draft PWG Simple Job Ticket [10 May 2004]<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Ira, great work. Thanks for forging ahead on this. I feel we at least need to test consensus on your rationale for not using XML encoding. Especially the part that says web services is not feasible for CE devices. Aren't they putting web services in light switches these days?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM Printing Systems <BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>---------------------------------------------- </FONT><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com></B> </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: owner-pwg@pwg.org</FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>05/10/2004 12:07 PM</FONT> </P> <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>To</FONT></DIV> <TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"'pwg@pwg.org'" <pwg@pwg.org></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>cc</FONT></DIV> <TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"'Nagasaka Fumio'" <Nagasaka.Fumio@exc.epson.co.jp></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV> <TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>PWG> Posted draft PWG Simple Job Ticket [10 May 2004]</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Hi folks,                                           Monday (10 May 2004)<BR><BR>[For review at the next PWG face-to-face meeting in Vancouver, BC,<BR>during the Consumer Electronice BOF on Thursday (27 May 2004)]<BR><BR><BR>I have just posted an initial draft of a non-XML, string-encoded <BR>PWG Simple Job Ticket at:<BR><BR>   ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/ce/tb-cesjt10-20040510.htm<BR><BR>Please read the SJT/1.0 example in Appendix D (see below) and the brief<BR>ABNF in Appendix C before reading the body of this document.<BR><BR>Please send comments to the 'pwg@pwg.org' mailing list.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>- Ira<BR><BR>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com<BR><BR><BR>[PS - Jerry - I cut and pasted the cover page style and boilerplate from<BR>Harry's most recent PWG Process 2.0 draft - please point out any errors<BR>- the boldface didn't cut and paste in titles such as 'About IEEE' and<BR>the PWG graphic isn't there - those will come in an MS Word-based draft]<BR><BR>[PPS - I created a subdirectory 'ce' under '/pub/pwg/BOFs' for CE stuff]<BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>[example SJT/1.0 JobTicket instance, excerpted from Appendix D]<BR><BR>.pwg:JobTicket              -- begin job ticket<BR>101="sjt10"                 -- type and version<BR>155="201,252"               -- media and finishings on job mandatory<BR>156="vnd,http://example.com/sjt-namespace.txt" -- Vendor ABNF<BR><BR>.pwg:Job                    -- begin job<BR>201="iso_a4_210x297mm"      -- ISO A4 letter<BR>251=3                       -- 3 copies of this job<BR>252="4,6"                   -- staple and cover finishings on job<BR>vnd:251=50                  -- vendor extension 'JobZoom'<BR><BR>.pwg:Document               -- begin document<BR>301=202                     -- JPEG document format<BR>302="http://example.com/pictures/778.jpg" -- document URI<BR>355="Bermuda Sunset"        -- document name<BR>vnd:351=3                   -- vendor extension 'DocumentSharpening'<BR>./pwg:Document              -- end document<BR>./pwg:Job                   -- end job<BR>./pwg:JobTicket             -- end job ticket<BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR></TT></FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>