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Ira, thanks for the clarifications. I agree hr MIB is out of scope for this exercise of prioritizing Printer MIB Groups... I just wanted to make sure we weren't missing these fundamental properties. Sounds like we've already captured most of them. Only difficulty I feel we are left with is prtGeneral. I understand there are defaults that depend normatively on other subunits but there are also independent properties which I believe are utmost essential (eg... many of us felt printer s/n was a glaring omission from Printer MIB v1). Not sure how to resolve this. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Intellectual Property, Standards and Licensing Chairman - ISTO Printer Working Group 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> 04/12/2007 08:30 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td><pwg-announce@pwg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION - Ordered list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11 April</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Hi Harry, (1) Printer MIB v2 additions    - in the great spreadsheet of properties, we all gave      high rankings to _some_ of these (i.e., ServicePerson) (2) prtGeneral last    - because the default pointers will depend normatively      (with ModelCorrespondence clauses which MUST NOT be      black holes to pass CIM Core review) on the newly      created Subunit classes that define 'Xxx.Id' (e.g.,      prtInputIndex).    - if we submit it earlier, they'll just reject it (3) hrPrinterDetectedErrorState    - already in CIM_Printer.DetectedErrorState    - in CIM Refresh Phase 1, we added the new enum values (4) hrDeviceStatus    - already in CIM_LogicalDevice.Availability    - which is the parent class of CIM_Printer (5) hrPrinterStatus    - already in CIM_Printer.PrinterStatus      (we added the MappingStrings in CIM Refresh Phase 1) (6) hrDeviceID    - not in CIM Model at all - completely out-of-scope (7) sysDescr    - not in CIM Model at all - completely out-of-scope Cheers, - Ira     Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:31 PM To: McDonald, Ira Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION - Ordered list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11 April In doing the exercise... some thoughts... 1. I gave greater weight to stuff we added in Printer MIB v2 because if it wasn't so important... why'd we add it? 2. I see a lot of people put prtGeneral last because it "depends on all other classes". But there are some very useful (independent) attributes in prtGeneral (like Name, S/N, Operator/ServicePerson etc.) 3. Where does hrPrinterDetectedErrorState fall in all of this? Not part of Printer MIB but... as you all know... one of my all time favorites ;-)  - hrDeviceStatus, hrPrinterStatus, hrDeviceID and sysDescr... all fundamental (and so were referenced in the Printer MIB), My ordering of the list... (0)  CIM_Printer - prtGeneralTable (contains valuable independent elements: example S/N) (1)  CIM_PrintAlertLog - prtAlertTable (2)  CIM_PrintAlertRecord - prtAlertEntry       I agree with Rick… these are inseparable (3)  CIM_PrintInputTray - prtInputTable - done - not submitted to DMTF (4)  CIM_PrintOutputTray - prtOutputTable - done - in progress at DMTF (5)  CIM_PrintDeviceCover – prtCoverTable (6)  CIM_PrintMarker - prtMarkerTable - done - not submitted to DMTF (7)  CIM_PrintSupply - prtMarkerSuppliesTable (8)  CIM_PrintConsoleDisplayBuffer – prtConsoleDisplayBufferTable (9)  CIM_PrintColorant - prtMarkerColorantTable (10) CIM_PrintConsoleLight – prtConsoleLightTable (11) CIM_PrintMediaPath - prtMediaPathTable (12) CIM_PrintInterpreter - prtInterpreterTable (13) CIM_PrintChannel - prtChannelTable - done - not submitted to DMTF ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Intellectual Property, Standards and Licensing Chairman - ISTO Printer Working Group 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> Sent by: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org 04/05/2007 03:12 PM To<pwg-announce@pwg.org> cc SubjectPWG-ANNOUNCE> ACTION - Ordered list of CIM MOF classes - due Wed 11 April Hi,                                              Thursday (5 April 2007) *** Action:    Send your ordered list of CIM MOF classes *** Due Date:  End-of-day Wednesday 11 April 2007 *** To:        All PWG members *** Reply To:  wims@pwg.org *** Note:      Do NOT reply to pwg-announce@pwg.org Background:  As a result of the slow CIM Core WG process, we urgently need to reach concensus on the ORDER in which we will model the tables from the Printer MIB (RFC 1759/3805) into CIM MOF classes, as described in Rick Landau's document posted in the directory:   ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim in the file:   td_PrintClassGroupings_v09_20070208.pdf Below is my own ordered list of CIM MOF classes: (0)  CIM_PrintOutputTray - prtOutputTable - done - in progress at DMTF (1)  CIM_PrintInputTray - prtInputTable - done - not submitted to DMTF (2)  CIM_PrintMarker - prtMarkerTable - done - not submitted to DMTF (3)  CIM_PrintChannel - prtChannelTable - done - not submitted to DMTF (4)  CIM_PrintSupply - prtMarkerSuppliesTable (5)  CIM_PrintDeviceCover - prtCoverTable (6)  CIM_PrintAlertLog - prtAlertTable (7)  CIM_PrintAlertRecord - prtAlertEntry (8)  CIM_PrintMediaPath - prtMediaPathTable (9)  CIM_PrintInterpreter - prtInterpreterTable (10) CIM_PrintColorant - prtMarkerColorantTable (11) CIM_PrintConsoleLight - prtConsoleLightTable (12) CIM_PrintConsoleDisplayBuffer - prtConsoleDisplayBufferTable (13) CIM_Printer - prtGeneralTable - last - depends on all other classes At the WIMS-CIM telecon on Thursday 12 April we will determine concensus on the ordered list - Rick Landau and I will follow this concensus. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 1:09 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 11:52 AM </tt>