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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2523" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; khtml-nbsp-mode: space; khtml-line-break: after-white-space"> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ira,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would like to hear from Mike or Ivan on this subject, rather than rely on memory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Your comment does not agree with the current description clause for this object.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=441492916-21042005>    <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ron</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:37 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Paul Danbold'; Bergman, Ron<BR><B>Cc:</B> pmp@pwg.org; Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira; MFenelon@microsoft.com; IvanP@microsoft.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Adding ppmPortDescription to Port Mon MIB<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi Ron,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Doesn't work - MS specifically said that they wanted PortName restricted</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>to a _name_ that they will display in their tools and do NOT want it to</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>include descriptive text.  Your memory is incorrect.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=612203715-21042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Danbold [mailto:danbold@apple.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Bergman, Ron<BR><B>Cc:</B> pmp@pwg.org; Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); MFenelon@microsoft.com; IvanP@microsoft.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Adding ppmPortDescription to Port Mon MIB<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron, <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the clarification.  In the expectation that manufacturers will initialize ppmPortName with helpful information, I am satisfied there is no need to add an additional object.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>-Paul</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">---------------------------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">Paul Danbold</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">Imaging Technologies Evangelist, Apple Worldwide Developer Relations</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">3 Infinite Loop, MS:303-2TE, Cupertino, CA 95014</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">408-974-0050 (office)  408-425-3351 (mobile)</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica">---------------------------------------------------------------</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Apr 15, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Bergman, Ron wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I remembered this morning why we decided, several months back, to remove this object.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since the MIB contained both a desciptive name and a description, it was agreed that</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>the two objects were redundant.  To clarify this situation I recommend that the object</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>ppmPortName be changed to ppmPortDescriptiveName or ppmPortDescription, rather</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>than go back to the original redundant pair.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>ppPortName is a natural language string with up to 127 characters.  For Paul Danbold's</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>example I could provide a name such as:</FONT> </P> <P>        <FONT face=Arial size=2>"Networked LPR port providing binary PostScript printing for use by marketing"</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is less than 80 characters and should be more than sufficient to satisfy Paul's</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>requirement.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, in addition to a possible name change, it must be noted that this object is</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>expected to be administratively configured using an out-of-band method.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul, please indicate if this is sufficient.</FONT> </P> <P>        <FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron Bergman</FONT> <BR>        <FONT face=Arial size=2>Ricoh Printing Systems America</FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>