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Brings to mind a space ship that flew by Earth during the violent formation stage and, not touching base again until the ice age... makes the assumption it is too cold for anything to be moving down there. They may be right in any case... but you have to admit... the process lends itself to humorous interpretation. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%><carl@manros.com> Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org 03/15/2004 03:39 PM <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center>Please respond to carl</div></table> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td valign=top>"Ipp@Pwg. Org" <ipp@pwg.org> <tr> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td valign=top>"Carl-Uno Manros" <carl@manros.com>, "Tom Hastings" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com> <tr> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td valign=top>IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 12, 2004</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>All, I agree with Tom Hastings that the interest for these drafts have decreased dramatically since they were first created almost 3 years ago. I clear sign is that were have not responded to comments from our Area Director received a very long time ago. It also seems that there is a lack of interest to implement the features in these drafts from vendors, so who would we be writing these standards for? I think we are just spinning our wheels to no effect! However, before we officially ask the IETF secretariat to kill off these documents for good, I would like to give everybody in the WG a chance to comment. If you or your organization still have interest in pursuing the completion of any of these 4 draft documents, I want to hear from you on the IPP DL no later than April 12, 2004. This gives you plenty of time to think this over one more time. If we decide to drop these documents is also means that we can drop the IPP WG as an active IETF WG. As stated, the IPP DL will still remain in place for discussion of the RFCs that have made it to Proposed Standards or Informational earlier in the WG life cycle. If we don't hear from you before the deadline, it will be interpreted as if you agree to close down any further work in the WG. Regards, Carl-Uno Manros Chair of IETF IPP WG 700 Carnegie Street #3724 Henderson, NV 89052, USA Tel +1-702-617-9414 Fax +1-702-617-9417 Mob +1-702-525-0727 Email carl@manros.com Web    www.manros.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Hastings, > Tom N > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:49 PM > To: Manros, Carl-Uno > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: IPP> Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP documents and > close down the IETF IPP WG > > > Carl-Uno, > > You asked me to proposed actions about the remaining IPP > documents that are > in the IETF standards track, since I'm the editor of them. > > After talking with you and others, it seems best to withdraw the remaining > IETF IPP documents and close down the IPP WG.  There does not seem to be > sufficient interest in implementing these specifications to warrant > continuing them.  With only one or two companies are interested, it is > better not to pursue these documents in the IETF.  The IPP DL will remain > indefinitely for discussions about IPP RFCs, issues, registrations, etc. > > > From the IESG ID Status Tracker, the IPP WG has 4 documents: > > 1. "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): IPP Event Notifications and > Subscriptions", R. Herriot and T. Hastings, 2/21/2003, > <draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt> (Proposed standard) > > Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt (WG <ipp> submission) > IESG Discussion: Available > Version:  11 > Intended Status:  Proposed Standard > On Next Agenda?  No > Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott > Status Date: 2003-02-13 > Note: Revised version needed to address discuss comments > > > 2.                 "Internet Printing Protocol: Requirements for IPP Notifications", T. > Hastings, R Bergman, R deBry, 07/23/2001, <draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt> > (Informational) > > Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt (WG <ipp> submission) > IESG Discussion: Not Available > Version:  06 > Intended Status:  Informational > On Next Agenda?  No > Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott > Status Date: 2003-02-13 > Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments > > > 3.                 "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): The 'ippget' Delivery Method for > Event Notifications", R. Herriot, T. Hastings, and H. Lewis, 2/21/2003, > <draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt>  (Proposed standard) > > Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt (WG <ipp> submission) > IESG Discussion: Not Available > Version:  09 > Intended Status:  Proposed Standard > On Next Agenda?  No > Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott > Status Date: 2003-02-13 > Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments > > > 4.                 "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): Job and Printer Administrative > Operations", T. Hastings, R Bergman, Carl Kugler, 07/23/2001, > <draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt>   (Proposed standard) > > Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt (WG <ipp> submission) > IESG Discussion: Available > Version:  03 > Intended Status:  Proposed Standard > On Next Agenda?  No > Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott > Status Date: > Note: IESG feedback returned to WG 20-Jun-2002; new ID needed > with improved > security considerations section > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carl@manros.com [mailto:carl@manros.com] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:53 > To: ipp@pwg.org > Cc: Tom Hastings > Subject: FW: New AD and WG Status Request > Importance: High > > > Hi all, > > I am forwarding this message from our new IETF Area Director. I > will need to > consult with the editors to prepare a reply to Scott Hollenbeck. > We need to > do that within the next week or so as I will be leaving for a 3 > week trip to > Japan on March 20, so please get back to me ASAP to agree on a phone > meeting. > > Thanks, > > Carl-Uno > > Carl-Uno Manros > 700 Carnegie Street #3724 > Henderson, NV 89052, USA > Tel +1-702-617-9414 > Fax +1-702-617-9417 > Mob +1-702-525-0727 > Email carl@manros.com > Web    www.manros.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Hollenbeck [mailto:sah@428cobrajet.net] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:37 AM > To: Andrew Gierth; Carl-Uno Manros; Claudio Allocchio; Donald Eastlake > 3rd; Glenn Parsons; Hiroshi Tamura; John Noerenberg; Lisa Dusseault; Ned > Freed; Pete Resnick; Rik Drummond; Russ Allbery; Steve Hole > Cc: 'Ted Hardie'; sah@428cobrajet.net > Subject: New AD and WG Status Request > Importance: High > > > All: > > I had a chance to meet with several of you while at the IETF meeting in > Seoul last week.  This note is primarily for those of you that I > haven't yet > met. > > Ned Freed's IESG term as Applications AD expired with the end of > the meeting > in Seoul.  Ted Hardie and I are now your Applications area directors.  My > responsibilities will include the following WGs: > > EDIINT (Rik Drummond) > FAX (Claudio Allocchio, Hiroshi Tamura) > IMAPEXT (Pete Resnick) > IPP (Carl-Uno Manros) > MSGTRAK (Steve Hole) > NNTPEXT (Ned Freed, Russ Allbery) > TRADE (Donald Eastlake 3rd) > USEFOR (Pete Resnick, Andrew Gierth) > VPIM (John Noerenberg, Glenn Parsons) > XMPP (Pete Resnick, Lisa Dusseault) > > I'd like to get a handle on where each of the these WGs is with respect to > the milestones identified in your charters.  Please take a few moments to > clue me in this week by responding to this message (private reply to me is > OK) with a description of WG status, including any open WG actions.  If > there are outstanding AD actions that you need to have completed, I'd like > to be made aware of those as well. > > Thanks! > > Looking forward to working with you, > -Scott- > </tt>