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<DIV><SPAN class=450381513-21082003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It is
quite a surprise to see this discussion still going on. When the idea of two
varaiables was brought up in Portland, it seemed quite reasonable. At least with
the implementations I am aware of, the techniques for quality
improvement (e.g., increased pseudo-resolution) are different with the
techniques for marker saving (bias voltage adjustment, sparse
writing in solid areas). Further, although there is interaction in
the effect upon the output, the user motivation in
selecting quality level is more likely to be speed while the
motivation for marker saving is cost. As is suggested, each
marketing group will put is own spin on these variables, but I
do think that having two variables makes sense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=450381513-21082003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bill
Wagner</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 14, 2003 6:05
PM<BR><B>To:</B> TAYLOR,BOB (HP-Vancouver,ex1)<BR><B>Cc:</B> IPP Discussion
List (IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org; Zehler, Peter<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[printing-jobticket] RE: [printing-driver] RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue
resolution<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face="Courier New" color=blue
size=2>>My main question with TonerSaving/InkSaving/MarkerSaving is how
this is any different than PrintQuality(High|Normal|Draft)</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>To answer this question, straightforward, there are
implementations where you can select High|Normal|Draft independently from
"Saver". Administrators may want to configure policy that "Saving" must
always be on yet still allow the choice of High|Normal|Draft, within that
context. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face="Courier New" color=blue
size=2>>PrintQuality=High & MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print
in high quality, and waste toner/ink for no good reason</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>I think people would expect:</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2> PQ=High|Saving=Off to result in the BEST possible
quality. </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2> PQ=High|Saving=On to
result in the best possible quality while still saving marker (toner, ink
...)</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2> PQ=Draft|Saving=Off to
result in the FASTEST possible printing</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2> PQ=Draft|Saving=On to result in the fastest possible printing
with legibility that may not stand up to close scrutiny because marker (toner,
ink...) has been used sparingly. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis
<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM
Printing Systems
<BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"TAYLOR,BOB
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face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org</FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/14/2003 02:36 PM</FONT> </P>
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size=1>printing-driver@freestandards.org, "Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></FONT>
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"IPP Discussion List
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>RE: [printing-driver]
RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue
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face="Courier New" color=blue size=2>My main question with
TonerSaving/InkSaving/MarkerSaving is how this is any different than
PrintQuality(High|Normal|Draft). We as well have nifty algorithms for
saving "marker" without impacting quality - but I don't know why we'd ever
want to turn it "off" seperately from the notion of PQ/performance/economy
tradeoff (which I maintain is what PrintQuality actually is). The
semantics of this as a separate attribute seem somewhat odd to me - i.e.,
PrintQuality=High & MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in high
quality, and waste toner/ink for no good reason", and PrintQuality=Draft &
MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in poor quality, but waste
tone/ink anyway". IMHO, a "separate" TonerSaving mode is really a
vendor-specific extension of PrintQuality, which as Ira noted as already
supported (though they are supposed to be IANA-registered, which I'm guessing
most vendors have not bothered to do).</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" color=blue size=2>thanks,</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" color=blue size=2>bt</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> Harry
Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <B><BR>Sent:</B> Friday, July 11, 2003 6:49
AM<B><BR>To:</B> Zehler, Peter<B><BR>Cc:</B> IPP Discussion List
(IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org; Zehler, Peter<B><BR>Subject:</B>
[printing-driver] RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue
resolution<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>My concern is that
"save toner" is probably the most concrete concept compared to "Good, Better,
Best" or "Text, Image, Graphics". The later has efficient application only in
special cases (some of which may be very significant, like printing photo's).
Otherwise, people stare at their mixed object document and wonder. I feel
"save toner" should be explicit. </FONT><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>We went from a flat set of descriptors to a
pairing.. perhaps we should really go to a matrix (although I don't like the
perceived complexity)</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Courier
size=2><BR>Good - Better - Best</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Courier
size=2><BR>Text - Text+Graphics - Graphics - Image</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Courier size=2><BR>TonerSaving</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis
<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM
Printing Systems
<BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD width="27%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></B> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/11/2003 04:54 AM</FONT><FONT size=3>
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Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT>
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"IPP Discussion List
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<DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV>
<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>RE: IPP> Print
Quality Issue resolution</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR>
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size=2><BR>Harry,</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>We felt that there are many different attributes involved in
heuristics for saving toner and printing fast. Some of those are
"resolution", "media" and aspects of the document content. We felt the
requirements were met by keeping the existing "print-quality" values and
augmenting them with hints on how to process the document content to achieve
'draft' 'normal' and 'high'. The assumption is that draft is fastest and
uses the least toner.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2><BR>Pete</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Impact color=#000080 size=3>Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT color=red
size=3><BR>XEROX</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2><BR>Xerox Innovation
Group</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Voice: (585) 265-8755</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>FAX: (585) 422-</FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2>7961</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>US Mail: Peter
Zehler</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2> Xerox
Corp.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> 800 Phillips
Rd.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> M/S
128-25E</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> Webster NY,
14580-9701</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><BR>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B>
Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 10,
2003 11:26 PM<B><BR>To:</B> Zehler, Peter<B><BR>Cc:</B> IPP Discussion List
(IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: IPP> Print
Quality Issue resolution</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>We
finally agreed that the two values</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed'
are implied by the</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Since they were not
required, they were removed.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>I think this warrants further
examination. I have known toner saving methods that do a very good job of
preserving print quality. <BR>----------------------------------------------
<BR>Harry Lewis <BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working
Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM Printing Systems
<BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD width="27%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></B> <BR>Sent by:
owner-ipp@pwg.org</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/10/2003 01:41 PM</FONT><FONT
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>IPP> Print Quality
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size=2><BR><BR>All,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>During the PWG/FSG meeting in Portland we
had a discussion about the IPP</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality" attribute and FSG's
desire to add two new values,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'economy' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'fine',
where</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'economy' is lower than</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'draft'
and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'fine' is higher than</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'high'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>The FSG
further proposed the addition of a new attribute, called</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize", that</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>would augment</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-quality" with values of</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'image',</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'photo',</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'text',</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'text-and-image',</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>With regard to</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'economy' and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'fine', we agreed that</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'economy' would map to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality"='draft' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'fine'
to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-quality"='high'. There may be end user</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>visible
features that map to multiple</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>attributes. We leave it to
specific print</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>domains to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>model these higher
level</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>aggregate</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>features. When appropriate we
will add needed elements to the Semantic Model.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>There was a lot of push back on</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize". The main concern was that</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize" contained a mixed bag of items. The two main
categories were content metadata and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>rendering hints. We
finally agreed that the two values</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed'
are implied by the</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Since they were not
required, they were removed. The remaining values are needed to direct
the type of optimization/processing that will be performed on the content.
It does not necessarily mean the</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>value describes the</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>content.
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>To clarify this we changed the attribute name
to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-content-optimize". </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Finally the
value</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'image' seemed the same as</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'photo'.
The name for this was changed to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'graphic'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>As a result the following attribute will be
added to the JobX specification in it next revision.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> print-content-optimize (type2
keyword)</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> This attribute refines
the value specified by the print-quality</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> attribute.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> The standard keyword
values are:</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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'graphic': optimize for graphic clarity</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> 'photo':
optimize for photo clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> 'text':
optimize for text clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>
'text-and-graphic': optimize for both text and graphic
clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Impact size=3>Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=red size=3>XEROX</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Xerox Innovation Group</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Voice: (585) 265-8755</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>FAX: (585) 422-7961</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>US Mail: Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> Xerox Corp.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> 800 Phillips
Rd.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> M/S 128-25E</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> Webster NY,
14580-9701</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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