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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New">>My main question with
TonerSaving/InkSaving/MarkerSaving is how this is any different than PrintQuality(High|Normal|Draft)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">To answer this question, straightforward,
there are implementations where you can select High|Normal|Draft independently
from "Saver". Administrators may want to configure policy
that "Saving" must always be on yet still allow the choice of
High|Normal|Draft, within that context. </font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New">>PrintQuality=High &
MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in high quality, and waste
toner/ink for no good reason</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I think people would expect:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> PQ=High|Saving=Off to result in
the BEST possible quality. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> PQ=High|Saving=On to result in
the best possible quality while still saving marker (toner, ink ...)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> PQ=Draft|Saving=Off to result
in the FASTEST possible printing</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> PQ=Draft|Saving=On to result in
the fastest possible printing with legibility that may not stand up to
close scrutiny because marker (toner, ink...) has been used sparingly.
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Harry Lewis <br>
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
http://www.pwg.org<br>
IBM Printing Systems <br>
http://www.ibm.com/printers<br>
303-924-5337<br>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org</font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">07/14/2003 02:36 PM</font>
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<td valign=top><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [printing-driver] RE:
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New">My main question with TonerSaving/InkSaving/MarkerSaving
is how this is any different than PrintQuality(High|Normal|Draft). We
as well have nifty algorithms for saving "marker" without impacting
quality - but I don't know why we'd ever want to turn it "off"
seperately from the notion of PQ/performance/economy tradeoff (which I
maintain is what PrintQuality actually is). The semantics of this
as a separate attribute seem somewhat odd to me - i.e., PrintQuality=High
& MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in high quality,
and waste toner/ink for no good reason", and PrintQuality=Draft &
MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in poor quality, but waste
tone/ink anyway". IMHO, a "separate" TonerSaving mode
is really a vendor-specific extension of PrintQuality, which as Ira noted
as already supported (though they are supposed to be IANA-registered, which
I'm guessing most vendors have not bothered to do).</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New">thanks,</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New">bt</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<b><br>
From:</b> Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <b><br>
Sent:</b> Friday, July 11, 2003 6:49 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Zehler, Peter<b><br>
Cc:</b> IPP Discussion List (IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org; Zehler, Peter<b><br>
Subject:</b> [printing-driver] RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution<br>
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My concern is that "save toner" is probably the most concrete
concept compared to "Good, Better, Best" or "Text, Image,
Graphics". The later has efficient application only in special cases
(some of which may be very significant, like printing photo's). Otherwise,
people stare at their mixed object document and wonder. I feel "save
toner" should be explicit. </font><font size=3><br>
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We went from a flat set of descriptors to a pairing.. perhaps we should
really go to a matrix (although I don't like the perceived complexity)</font><font size=3>
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Good - Better - Best</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Courier"><br>
Text - Text+Graphics - Graphics - Image</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Courier"><br>
TonerSaving</font><font size=3> <br>
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Harry Lewis <br>
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
http://www.pwg.org<br>
IBM Printing Systems <br>
http://www.ibm.com/printers<br>
303-924-5337<br>
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<td width=27%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Zehler, Peter"
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">07/11/2003 04:54 AM</font><font size=3>
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Harry,</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
We felt that there are many different attributes involved in heuristics
for saving toner and printing fast. Some of those are "resolution",
"media" and aspects of the document content. We felt the
requirements were met by keeping the existing "print-quality"
values and augmenting them with hints on how to process the document content
to achieve 'draft' 'normal' and 'high'. The assumption is that draft
is fastest and uses the least toner.</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
Pete</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
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<p><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Impact">Peter Zehler</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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XEROX</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Tahoma"><br>
Xerox Innovation Group</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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Voice: (585) 265-8755</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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FAX: (585) 422-</font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">7961</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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US Mail: Peter Zehler</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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Xerox Corp.</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
800 Phillips Rd.</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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M/S 128-25E</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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Webster NY, 14580-9701</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">
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-----Original Message-----<b><br>
From:</b> Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:26 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Zehler, Peter<b><br>
Cc:</b> IPP Discussion List (IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution</font><font size=3>
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> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">We finally agreed that the
two values</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'save-toner'
and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'speed'
are implied by the</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality".</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">Since they were not required,
they were removed.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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I think this warrants further examination. I have known toner saving methods
that do a very good job of preserving print quality. <br>
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Harry Lewis <br>
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
http://www.pwg.org<br>
IBM Printing Systems <br>
http://www.ibm.com/printers<br>
303-924-5337<br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">07/10/2003 01:41 PM</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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All,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New">During the PWG/FSG meeting in Portland
we had a discussion about the IPP</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality" attribute
and FSG's desire to add two new values,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'economy' and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'fine', where</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'economy' is lower than</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'draft' and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'fine' is higher than</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'high'.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">The FSG further proposed the addition
of a new attribute, called</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-optimize",
that</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">would
augment</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality"
with values of</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'image',</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'photo',</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'text',</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'text-and-image',</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'save-toner' and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'speed'.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New">With regard to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'economy' and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'fine', we agreed that</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'economy' would map to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality"='draft'
and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'fine'
to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality"='high'.
There may be end user</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">visible features that map to multiple</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">attributes. We leave it to
specific print</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">domains
to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">model
these higher level</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">aggregate</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">features. When appropriate
we will add needed elements to the Semantic Model.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New">There was a lot of push back on</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-optimize". The
main concern was that</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-optimize"
contained a mixed bag of items. The two main categories were content
metadata and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">rendering
hints. We finally agreed that the two values</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'save-toner' and</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'speed' are implied by the</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-quality".</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">Since they were not required,
they were removed. The remaining values are needed to direct the
type of optimization/processing that will be performed on the content.
It does not necessarily mean the</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">value describes the</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">content. </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">To
clarify this we changed the attribute name to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">"print-content-optimize".
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">Finally
the value</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'image'
seemed the same as</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'photo'.
The name for this was changed to</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">'graphic'.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New">As a result the following attribute
will be added to the JobX specification in it next revision.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> print-content-optimize
(type2 keyword)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> This attribute
refines the value specified by the print-quality</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> attribute.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> The standard keyword
values are:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> 'graphic':
optimize for graphic clarity</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> 'photo':
optimize for photo clarity</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> 'text':
optimize for text clarity</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"> 'text-and-graphic':
optimize for both text and graphic clarity</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=3 face="Impact">Peter Zehler</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=3 color=red face="Times New Roman">XEROX</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Tahoma">Xerox Innovation Group</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial">Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial">Voice: (585) 265-8755</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial">FAX: (585) 422-7961</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial">US Mail: Peter Zehler</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial"> Xerox Corp.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<p><font size=2 face="Arial"> 800 Phillips Rd.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial"> M/S 128-25E</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial"> Webster NY, 14580-9701</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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