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class=935422620-14072003>My main question with
TonerSaving/InkSaving/MarkerSaving is how this is any different than
PrintQuality(High|Normal|Draft). We as well have nifty algorithms for
saving "marker" without impacting quality - but I don't know why we'd ever want
to turn it "off" seperately from the notion of PQ/performance/economy tradeoff
(which I maintain is what PrintQuality actually is). The semantics of this
as a separate attribute seem somewhat odd to me - i.e., PrintQuality=High &
MarkerSaving=False would seem to say "print in high quality, and waste toner/ink
for no good reason", and PrintQuality=Draft & MarkerSaving=False would seem
to say "print in poor quality, but waste tone/ink anyway". IMHO, a
"separate" TonerSaving mode is really a vendor-specific extension of
PrintQuality, which as Ira noted as already supported (though they are supposed
to be IANA-registered, which I'm guessing most vendors have not bothered to
do).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=935422620-14072003>thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=935422620-14072003>bt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 11, 2003 6:49
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Zehler, Peter<BR><B>Cc:</B> IPP Discussion List
(IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org; Zehler, Peter<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[printing-driver] RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue
resolution<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>My concern is
that "save toner" is probably the most concrete concept compared to "Good,
Better, Best" or "Text, Image, Graphics". The later has efficient application
only in special cases (some of which may be very significant, like printing
photo's). Otherwise, people stare at their mixed object document and wonder. I
feel "save toner" should be explicit. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>We went from a flat set of descriptors to a pairing.. perhaps we should
really go to a matrix (although I don't like the perceived complexity)</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=Courier size=2>Good - Better - Best</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Courier size=2>Text - Text+Graphics - Graphics - Image</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Courier size=2>TonerSaving</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis
<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM
Printing Systems
<BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></B> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/11/2003 04:54 AM</FONT> </P>
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Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "Zehler, Peter"
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"IPP Discussion List
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>RE: IPP> Print
Quality Issue resolution</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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color=#000080 size=2>Harry,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2>We felt that there are many different attributes involved in heuristics
for saving toner and printing fast. Some of those are "resolution",
"media" and aspects of the document content. We felt the requirements
were met by keeping the existing "print-quality" values and augmenting them
with hints on how to process the document content to achieve 'draft' 'normal'
and 'high'. The assumption is that draft is fastest and uses the least
toner.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2>Pete</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Impact color=#000080 size=3>Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT color=red
size=3><BR>XEROX</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2><BR>Xerox Innovation
Group</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Voice: (585) 265-8755</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>FAX: (585) 422-</FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2>7961</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>US Mail: Peter
Zehler</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2> Xerox
Corp.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> 800 Phillips
Rd.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> M/S
128-25E</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR> Webster NY,
14580-9701</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3>
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B>
Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] <B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 10,
2003 11:26 PM<B><BR>To:</B> Zehler, Peter<B><BR>Cc:</B> IPP Discussion List
(IPP@pwg.org); printing-driver@freestandards.org;
printing-jobticket@freestandards.org<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: IPP> Print
Quality Issue resolution</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>We finally agreed that the two values</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed' are implied by the</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-quality".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Since they were not required,
they were removed.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I think this warrants further examination. I have
known toner saving methods that do a very good job of preserving print
quality. <BR>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis
<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM
Printing Systems
<BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD width="27%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Zehler, Peter"
<PZehler@crt.xerox.com></B> <BR>Sent by:
owner-ipp@pwg.org</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/10/2003 01:41 PM</FONT><FONT
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Discussion List (IPP@pwg.org)" <IPP@pwg.org>,
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<DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV>
<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>IPP> Print Quality
Issue resolution</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT
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size=2><BR>All,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>During the PWG/FSG meeting in Portland we
had a discussion about the IPP</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality" attribute and FSG's
desire to add two new values,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'economy' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'fine',
where</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'economy' is lower than</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'draft'
and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'fine' is higher than</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'high'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>The FSG
further proposed the addition of a new attribute, called</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize", that</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>would augment</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-quality" with values of</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'image',</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'photo',</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'text',</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'text-and-image',</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>With regard to</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'economy' and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'fine', we agreed that</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>'economy' would map to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality"='draft' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'fine'
to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-quality"='high'. There may be end user</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>visible
features that map to multiple</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>attributes. We leave it to
specific print</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>domains to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>model these higher
level</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>aggregate</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>features. When appropriate we
will add needed elements to the Semantic Model.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>There was a lot of push back on</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize". The main concern was that</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-optimize" contained a mixed bag of items. The two main
categories were content metadata and</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>rendering hints. We
finally agreed that the two values</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'save-toner' and</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'speed'
are implied by the</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>"print-quality".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Since they were not
required, they were removed. The remaining values are needed to direct
the type of optimization/processing that will be performed on the content.
It does not necessarily mean the</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>value describes the</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>content.
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>To clarify this we changed the attribute name
to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>"print-content-optimize". </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Finally the
value</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>'image' seemed the same as</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'photo'.
The name for this was changed to</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>'graphic'.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>As a result the following attribute will be
added to the JobX specification in it next revision.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> print-content-optimize (type2
keyword)</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> This attribute refines
the value specified by the print-quality</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> attribute.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> The standard keyword
values are:</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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'graphic': optimize for graphic clarity</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> 'photo':
optimize for photo clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2> 'text':
optimize for text clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>
'text-and-graphic': optimize for both text and graphic
clarity</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT>
<P><FONT face=Impact size=3>Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=red size=3>XEROX</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Xerox Innovation Group</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Voice: (585) 265-8755</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>FAX: (585) 422-7961</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>US Mail: Peter Zehler</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> Xerox Corp.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> 800 Phillips
Rd.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> M/S 128-25E</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2> Webster NY,
14580-9701</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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