UPD> Re: IPP> MED - Media Standardized Names Draft D0.4 down-loaded

UPD> Re: IPP> MED - Media Standardized Names Draft D0.4 down-loaded

Jim Sommer sommer at granitesystems.com
Thu Mar 29 15:16:46 EST 2001


I agree with Michael, I think we should define the keywords that are used 
to identify the smallest and largest user-defined, custom paper sizes. 
These two "paper sizes" can appear in the list of supported sizes and 
indicate that custom sizes are supported and the range of allowable sizes.

I think it fits in perfectly with what we're trying to do with this document.

Jim

At 3/29/01 03:09 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>"Bergman, Ron" wrote:
> > ...
> > I disagee with your proposal for adding printer size restrictions
> > to the document.  So far this specification has only involved
> > attributes related to media.  Now you are proposing that we add
> > an attribute that is related to printers.  This belongs in the
> > appropriate UPnP or IPP or other document that defines how to
> > describe a printer.  If we add this then it will be necessary
> > ...
>
>I'm not sure I agree with this (or maybe I just not understanding
>your objection right); the purpose of this standard/spec is to
>define the names used for media sizes, types, finishes, etc. so
>that other protocols can then use those names uniformly.
>
> From an implementation standpoint, it may be desireable to have
>media size names that are reserved for representing 1) whether
>custom media sizes are supported, and 2) what the size limits are
>for the device being queried.  This allows all protocols to use
>a common method for conveying the custom media size information,
>while the exact values used in the custom size names are determined
>by the device and not the protocols or this spec.
>
>IPP contains no explicit support for custom media sizes; CUPS
>works around this limitation by supporting a "custom" media size
>keyword and relies on the to know that they can request a custom
>media size using the name "custom.WWWxLLL", where "WWW" and "LLL"
>are the width and length of the media in points (works well for
>a PS-based printing system... :)  This only works for CUPS, and
>I have no idea what Microsoft does, for example, with their
>media support under Windows 2000...
>
>So, I guess what I'm saying is this:
>
>     1. Describe "custom-min" and "custom-max" media size names
>        and the format they use.  Specify that these names will
>        only be present for devices that support custom sizes, and
>        that both must appear if they are used at all.
>
>     2. Explicitly state that the values used in the custom-min/max
>        names are defined by the device and not the spec.
>
>     3. Explicitly state that the units for media sizes in the
>        size names are set by the media spec and not by the
>        protocol spec.  Units outside the size name can obviously
>        be anything the protocol wants...
>
>#1 will make sure that any client can determine if a device supports
>custom sizes, no matter what protocol is being used.
>
>#2 will remove any requirement for additional info in the media spec
>on how to manage custom sizes.
>
>#3 will ensure that the dimensions in size names are consistent no
>matter what protocol is being used.
>
>--
>______________________________________________________________________
>Michael Sweet, Easy Software Products                  mike at easysw.com
>Printing Software for UNIX                       http://www.easysw.com




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