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All, Yes, we'll still have the IDS call today at 1:00 PM EST.  I have not seen an updated NAP Binding spec, but we can discuss the Secure Time definition (below) and Microsoft's responses to our questions that I forwarded earlier. dhw David H. Whitehead Development Engineer Lexmark International, Inc. 859.825.4914 davidatlexmarkdotcom ========================== Secure Time: This attribute signifies that the time source used to set the device's clock(s) is considered a trusted source.  Many security mechanisms rely on accurate time to enforce security.  Examples include validity periods on X.509 certificates and Kerberos Tickets.  As such, it is important to know that the device's internal clock(s) acquire time in a secure manner.  If the time source is not secure, it could lead to denial of service (set time outside the validity period) and/or allow unauthorized access (set time to within validity period.)  There are several ways to acquire the time including Network Time Protocol (NTP) and explicitly set by the user via some user interface.  NTP has the ability to utilize encryption and integrity checks using pre-shared keys.  The user interface to the clock can be protected using passwords.  It is important to note that RTCs are often used in devices and may utilize a bus structure, such as I2C.  In such cases, the bus used MUST NOT be accessible externally from the device. ========================== <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"Ira McDonald" <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> Sent by: owner-ids@pwg.org 12/15/08 11:52 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>ids@pwg.org, "Ira McDonald" <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>IDS> IDS canceled today?</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Hi, </tt> <tt>Bill Wagner, Glen Petrie, and I (the quorum at the WIMS WG telecon) were just wondering if anyone still plans to have an IDS WG meeting in one hour at 1pm Eastern today? </tt> <tt>Cheers, - Ira </tt> <tt>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music/High North Inc email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter:</tt> <tt>579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176 734-944-0094</tt> <tt>summer: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434</tt>