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Hi Glen, Contact info - the NIST website for Cloud Computing says: "To learn more about NIST's cloud efforts, join the NIST cloud computing announcement mailing list (very low volume) by sending an email to "<a href="mailto:listproc@nist.gov">listproc@nist.gov</a>" with "subscribe cloudlist" in the message body text." (I just subscribed to this list). The attribution needs to be to US NIST, *not* to the individual authors of the NIST Cloud Computing definition. For customers (especially government departments) purchasing devices/services in the US, the NIST definition of Cloud Computing is authoritative. WHY are we quoting them, rather than just referencing them? I'm strongly opposed to a PWG definition of Cloud Imaging or Cloud Printing that diverges *at all* from the NIST definition. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a> <a style="color:rgb(102, 0, 204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a> mailto:<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a> Christmas through April: � 579 Park Place� Saline, MI� 48176 � 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: � PO Box 221� Grand Marais, MI 49839 � 906-494-2434<div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"> </div><div style="display:inline"></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Petrie, Glen <<a href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="EN-US"> <div> NIST is a US agency and, as so, work products are not copyrighted (I believe by law). �In fact their top page on cloud computing has the following statement. � �This material is public domain although attribution to NIST is requested. It may be freely duplicated and translated.� So maybe we should ask a different question. ��Do we want to (very) tightly align our definition with content from NIST? �I vote yes because it shows coherence/alignment/??? with existing or other organization. � Note that the NIST definition and the one I propose are very high level and interpretation for �Imaging� is what is are address. � Glen � p.s. If I can find the contact information I will send a note. � gwp � <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: Petrie, Glen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45 PM To: Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet<div><div></div><div class="h5"> Cc: <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a> Subject: RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs</div></div> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5"> � Sorry Mike,� I skipped over the part where you like the substance. ��So I will send a note NIST folks. � <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: <a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41 PM To: Michael Sweet Cc: <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a> Subject: RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs </div> � Your right about the �copying� but that can be addressed at a later date. �For the moment; is this the type of definition that was intended? �If not, can you or others suggest a couple to sentence on a definition? � I understand your point on �Imaging� versus �Printing/Printer�; but can we put together a Print/Printing first at then see how to scope it for Imaging? � Glen � � <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:15 PM To: Petrie, Glen Cc: <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a> Subject: Re: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs </div> � <div> Glen, </div> <div> � </div> <div> While I like the substance of the definition,�I am uneasy about copying their words like this - it would be good to contact the authors to get their written permission so that we credit them appropriately in the cloud model spec. </div> <div> � </div> <div> Also, since we *are* doing Cloud Imaging, we probably want the definition to use Cloud Imaging instead of Cloud Printing and Imaging Device instead of Printer. </div> <div> � </div> <div> Thanks! </div> <div> � <div> <div> On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote: </div> � <div link="blue" vlink="blue"> <div> Based on the article referenced below I modified in an attempt to create a definition for cloud printing. ��I thought it could be reviewed to see if could be useful definition. ��In most cases, I literal changed �computing� to �printing� (or printer).� I also added a few print related items. </div> <div> � </div> <div> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.doc" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.doc</a> </div> <div> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.pdf</a> </div> <div> � </div> <div> glen </div> <div> � </div> <div> � </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> <div> From:�<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>�[mailto:<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>]�On Behalf Of�Ira McDonald Sent:�Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:47 AM To:�<a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a>; Ira McDonald Subject:�[Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs </div> </div> <div> � </div> <div> </div> <div> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:�Brian Smithson�<<a href="mailto:bsmithson@ricohsv.com" target="_blank">bsmithson@ricohsv.com</a>> Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:26 PM Subject: NIST cloud defs To: Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> To share at the meeting, if it's useful: <a href="http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc" target="_blank">http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc</a> -- Regards, Brian Smithson PMP, CSM, CISSP, CISA, ISO 27000 PA Security Research, Planning Advanced Customer Technologies Ricoh Americas Corporation <a href="mailto:bsmithson@ricohsv.com" target="_blank">bsmithson@ricohsv.com</a> <a href="tel:%28408%29346-4435" target="_blank">(408)346-4435</a> </div> <div> � </div> <div> --� This message has been scanned for viruses and� dangerous content by�<a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" target="_blank">MailScanner</a>, and is� believed to be clean. </div> --� This message has been scanned for viruses and� dangerous content by�<a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" target="_blank">MailScanner</a>, and is� believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a> <a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud</a> </div> </div> � <div> <div> __________________________________________________ </div> <div> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System�Engineer, PWG Chair </div> </div> � </div> -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" target="_blank">MailScanner</a>, and is believed to be clean. </div></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"> -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" target="_blank">MailScanner</a>, and is believed to be clean. </div></div></div> _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a> <a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud</a> </blockquote></div> <div style="visibility: hidden; left: -5000px;" id="avg_ls_inline_popup"></div><style type="text/css">#avg_ls_inline_popup{position: absolute;z-index: 9999;padding: 0px 0px;margin-left: 0px;margin-top: 0px;overflow: hidden;word-wrap: break-word;color: black;font-size: 10px;text-align: left;line-height: 130%;}</style> -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/">MailScanner</a>, and is believed to be clean.